Top Gear Russia

I thought it was better than TGA, though it does need some improvements in terms of editing, and better content (ie: more car reviews).
 
How many episodes are gonna be in the first season? I remember seeing the number 15 somewhere, but I don't know if thats the number of episodes in season 1, or just number of total ordered episodes.

Edit: Stupid question is stupid. Just rewatched the first 3mins of 01x01 and got my answer
 
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I enjoyed it. Not surprisingly, it seems that our Russian members are being the harshest with their own show. Pretty much the same thing that happened to TG Australia, most Aussies seemed to hate their version of TG. Like others have already stated, you have to cut it some slack, it's only the first show and there's plenty of room for improvement like any 1st episode. Many thanks to anyone who helped with subbing.
 
well, if the reactions in Ren-TV's own forums are anything to go by, they either will do anything to improve the experience or they'll bin it in a effing hurry. I took the time to read all through it and what the people wrote there makes Jezza's most damning car reviews look like praise :cry:

I really hope that TGR's producers put in an effort - the fact that it gets more positive reviews from russian speaking foreigners as opposed to quite a harsh shafting from the russians themselves makes clear, that they somehow have missed the point of the program - being a russian version of Top Gear. So there's a simple receipe for them to get better reception - become more russian :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
The Reason Russians are disliking it, is because they can actually hear and understand how the "acting" sounds.
It's much more fake than both TG 1x01 and TGA 1x01, 2 of the 3 presenters are not car guys, but low level tv celebrities, and trust me you had to understand what they were saying (in Russian) to label it horrible.

In the news segment the first news was about the New Camaro, that guy said, and i quote:

It's the new "Generation" of... which sounds right in english, but in Russian the word Generation means "Keygen Generation", that makes me feel the first studio script was originally written in english and the VERY POORLY translated and acted out.

To make it work they have to make it simpler:

1. Do not use "high inspiring" words JC uses when he reviews a car, cause in russian they all sound wierd and 100% out of place, they should make it sound like your friend talking to you about his new car, so you are 120% interested and little bit jealous, but you fell like you will have a chance to try it out.
2. Stop inviting unpopular "celebrities" who know nothing about cars and so on, there's the reason they are unpopular (and me being not a fan of Russian pop (or whatever) music culture i truly didn't know at all who any of them were), instead they should invite interesting people, younger (up to 35y/o) russians are not buying into "cute singing girls" nonsence, as every single girl on the street is damn beautiful and available (actualy true).
3. Don't make the "fake" drama of reviews, races and "car sharing" experience, make it more scientific with some jokes and gags in it, again simpler, and then a few series later when presenters form certain bond between them you can put in some personal stuff. In this aspect even TGA felt miles ahead.
4. Ditch the "Oskar Kuchera" presenter, as he's just awful and replace him with some somewhat famous theater (not TV) actor, who really likes cars, so he would feel 95% comfortable with camera, and leave that 3rd metrosexual guy with Mazda, he (probably) is appealing to women.
 
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ViperVX said:
The Reason Russians are disliking it, is because they can actually hear and understand how the "acting" sounds.
It's much more fake than both TG 1x01 and TGA 1x01, 2 of the 3 presenters are not car guys, but low level tv celebrities, and trust me you had to understand what they were saying (in Russian) to label it horrible.

In the news segment the first news was about the New Camaro, that guy said, and i quote:

It's the new "Generation" of... which sounds right in english, but in Russian the word Generation means "Keygen Generation", that's how horrible that was.
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I didn't understand every word, so I cannot comment on the use of specific words, but the selection of presenters is rather unfortunate, that's true. I think Fomenko is the only one who doesn't look out of place there. He can be funny at times - his clowning about what to do after actually using the "Super P*ss P*ss" was about the funniest moment of the show, but I really couldn't make any sense of Kuchera really, he overacted completely. The younger one could get there with a bit of experience, but they should really find a suitable replacement for Kuchera. If it has to be someone from TV/Film, why not use someone with at least some relations to cars - like one of the blokes from the "Boomer" movies?
 
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I didn't understand every word, so I cannot comment on the use of specific words, but the selection of presenters is rather unfortunate, that's true. I think Fomenko is the only one who doesn't look out of place there. He can be funny at times - his clowning about what to do after actually using the "Super P*ss P*ss" was about the funniest moment of the show, but I really couldn't make any sense of Kuchera really, he overacted completely. The younger one could get there with a bit of experience, but they should really find a suitable replacement for Kuchera. If it has to be someone from TV/Film, why not use someone with at least some relations to cars - like one of the blokes from the "Boomer" movies?
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Obviously i agree, but russian tv/film industry has probably 10 good actors, most of them are good because they are theater/movie/tv actors, there's no real difference like in US between Movies and TV, it's basically the same, and the best are (and always have been) with theatrical background.
 
Petrovskiy is a bit gay, Kuchera is a bit chav and Fomenko is a bit of a peasant.

Oh wait, that's a striking similarity :think: :rofl:
 
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The younger one could get there with a bit of experience, but they should really find a suitable replacement for Kuchera.
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Petrovsky, the younger one as you say, is in fact 32 years old and just 2 years younger than Kuchera. :D

ViperVX said:
The Reason Russians are disliking it, is because they can actually hear and understand how the "acting" sounds.
It's much more fake than both TG 1x01 and TGA 1x01, 2 of the 3 presenters are not car guys,
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What do you mean? Fomenko is definitely a car guy, Petrovsky is too - he's a former Autoreview journalist and nowadays DRIVE.ru editor in chief. As for Kuchera, there's information that he used to take part in ameteur rally races.

If you're talking about that situation, when Kuchera couldn't start the Porsche, I think that was according to scenario. :)
 
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The presenting isn't all that bad, but they need to stop overacting and work it all on a script. Also, another complaint is that they don't seem to know much about cars, but only to an extent of bhp, 0-100km, how cylinders has it got and whether it's a manual or not. The reviews are not good without better facts.

Oh and i'm a bit dissapointed that they used fake laughs and appluase. And where did they get their audience from?
 
So since nobody has offered to sub this in English yet, I could probably do it if someone explained how to time-sync the subs / linked to a page that explained it. I could put something together by Friday evening EST.
 
freefall said:
Petrovskiy is a bit gay, Kuchera is a bit chav and Fomenko is a bit of a peasant.
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The fact that you can already see three distinctly different characters after one episode suggests the casting is more clever than picking three virtually identical "serious car guys". Variety. Isn't that one of the things that makes Top Gear UK work? There's a host for everybody to like, or to laugh at, or to think is an idiot!

And don't forget, Top Gear is an entertainment show with cars, not a car show with entertainment.
 
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So since nobody has offered to sub this in English yet, I could probably do it if someone explained how to time-sync the subs / linked to a page that explained it. I could put something together by Friday evening EST.
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There are at least 3 threads on this forum with subtitled release now :) All in video offers.
 
i just watched it with subtitles, and i just decided that it's going to be a success :)

its not the best programme in the world, surely, but if you watch pilots every so often, you'll know the niveau you can usually expect, and this one clearly was one of the better one's, allthough it's hard for me to judge how the russians will like it.
 
I've watched 10 mins of the first episode now, and I've noticed 2 things:

-They reversed the presenters height ("their jeremy" is the shortest, while "their hammond" is the tallest.)

-THEY DUBBED GALLARDO SOUNDS OVER THE PORSCHE LAP!!! It's a fucking car program, and 2 things should never be featured in one: engine sound dubbing and speeding the film to make cars appear to be faster. Those two are the killer of any motoring show/movie.

Now back to watching, will update when finished.

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Observation 1: Why are they so stiff when sitting in the news section.
Observation 2: Wtf, they could only get a 986 Boxster that isn't even the S model?
Observation 3: That Lada is NOT stock.
Observation 4: They sped up the Porsche street driving bits, didn't they:no:
 
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bolly said:
The fact that you can already see three distinctly different characters after one episode suggests the casting is more clever than picking three virtually identical "serious car guys". Variety. Isn't that one of the things that makes Top Gear UK work? There's a host for everybody to like, or to laugh at, or to think is an idiot!

And don't forget, Top Gear is an entertainment show with cars, not a car show with entertainment.
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Maybe I demand too much, but that alone won't do. Not with a Top Gear spin-off, at least. What made the UK programme so good was Jeremy's humour and witty remarks. His distinct presenting style and his sagging two-sizes-too-tight-in-waist jeans.

None of the UK blokes' (apart from Hammond sometimes) acting is so much pretentious and constrained.

Basically, I see it as an issue with Russian TV in general. It lags WAY behind European and British standards. It's mostly Jeremy Kyle show 24/7. Cheap and offensive thrills for less intelligent. This way presenters are used to presenting in a low-standard manner, and the viewers take it for granted. Matching UK quality even remotely would be a quantum leap.

Then again, judging by the script, no one is a real Top Gear fan on the production crew, otherwise they'd notice what really makes the show. The subtle genius, not some leggy brunettes and reckless speeding. What, cue in some she-wee sort of rubbish and have an argument about how "we just want you to make it [the muscle car]"? Bollocks.

The good thing is, Fomenko has some balls to stand up to up-their-arse people, no matter how fat and vip they are :D

Well, let's see where it goes, so far it's too little top gear and too mucg generic stupid overacted entertainment to impress me.
 
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I've watched 10 mins of the first episode now, and I've noticed 2 things:

-They reversed the presenters height ("their jeremy" is the shortest, while "their hammond" is the tallest.)

-THEY DUBBED GALLARDO SOUNDS OVER THE PORSCHE LAP!!! It's a fucking car program, and 2 things should never be featured in one: engine sound dubbing and speeding the film to make cars appear to be faster. Those two are the killer of any motoring show/movie.

Now back to watching, will update when finished.

EDIT:
Observation 1: Why are they so stiff when sitting in the news section.
Observation 2: Wtf, they could only get a 986 Boxster that isn't even the S model?
Observation 3: That Lada is NOT stock.
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Gallardo dub for the Porsche? I feel like I would have noticed that but I'll go back later today and watch that bit again.
Why does it matter if they got an older Boxster or a new Boxster S? It wouldn't have been any quicker. Besides, it's nice to see some slightly older cars once in a while.
And who said that the "reasonably priced car" has to be stock? Technically, TG UK's car isn't factory spec either - bucket seats, roll cage, and harnesses. TGR did a little more than that... so what?
 
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